ROCKS 15D: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles season 3 finale

Discussion in 'Other Cartoons & Collectables' started by LiamABC, May 19, 2018.

  1. LiamABC

    LiamABC Thunderian Legend

    A big thanks to everyone that are joining us through all of this.

    We're going back to the 80s again now, with one of the biggest shows of the period - the 1987 cartoon of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. (And as I'm from the UK, I had to fight the instinct to type "Hero" instead of "Ninja"!)

    This week, we're watching the three-part season 3 finale:

    - The Big Rip-Off
    - The Big Break-In
    - The Big Blow-Out

    Just a friendly reminder to everyone that, whilst fans are obviously welcome to passionately discuss and give their views on these episodes, please remember to keep things on a friendly footing and respect your fellow posters.
    Also, please do not post where or how to find the full episode online. And do not post asking others to PM it to you. You are however allowed to watch the show in whatever manner you want.
  2. Wilycub

    Wilycub Staff Writer and Artist Staff

    I didn't know that there was a trilogy within in the 1987 TMNT series. That's cool! Since the three episodes are a continuation of one story, I'm just gonna review them as one.

    I enjoyed the story. It was a bit more "connected" than many of the other episodes in which the plot was just "cooked up" in order to pit Shredder and co. against the Turtles. It was refreshing to see Shredder actually use his brains for something other than to cook up (unsuccessful) cockamamie plans to destroy the Turtles. Here he actually thinks like the Turtles and creates a distraction in order to send the heroes in a half shell on a wild goose chase while he sends Bebop and Rocksteady to get the energy sources he and Krang need for the Technodrome. It was also nice to see Rocksteady and Bebop for once actually complete their assigned task successfully! :biggrin

    The scene in the end where Michaelangelo has to reluctantly eat his comic book because of a failed bet reminded me of an almost identical scene in a DuckTales episode where Glomgold eats his hat when he loses a bet to Scrooge. I think it was the fifth episode of the 5-part pilot, but I'll have to check to be sure.

    Krang joining in the battle against the Turtles inside the Technodrome was also a welcome sight. I believe this is the first time since "Shredder & Splintered" that Krang uses his body's weapon arms to fight the Turtles. The final fight inside and outside the Technodrome is also very exciting.

    My only real complaint is the animation quality. It's not nearly as good as some of the earlier episodes. Not only that, but the relative sizes of the characters are also off. When they first debuted, Bebop and Rocksteady were big, tough, bodybuilder types. They were clearly bigger than the Turtles. But in the later episodes (including this trilogy), they've "shrunk" to being almost the same size as the Turtles. Also Bebop has become more "straighter" in his posture. He almost looks like some guy wearing a hog's head mask. I also noticed a little bit of Donatello's voice creeping in when Bebop was speaking.
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  3. Mark M

    Mark M Thunderian Legend

    Really enjoyed these episodes.
    Some really great action scenes.
    Krang fighting the Turtles with his mace arms was good.
    Shredder and Splinter's fight was very good.
    The scene at the end with the Technodrome returning to Dimension X and being blasted by Krang's forces looked pretty cool.
    A very good finale to the third season.
  4. Wilycub

    Wilycub Staff Writer and Artist Staff

    I agree. I always felt that there should have been more episodes in which Krang played a more active role instead of being a nagging wife to Shredder! LOL! :biggrin
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  5. LiamABC

    LiamABC Thunderian Legend

    This finale was the last I ever saw of TMNT as a kid, and I always imagined that it was the absolute end of the series. The Technodrome getting blasted back to Dimension X and then blasted by their own side, and the Turtles finally able to go about in public without having to wear disguises all the time, I always figured that was that.

    It's the only time - in the episodes I'm familiar with at least - where they have genuine cliffhangers in the multi-part story. The opening 5-parter doesn't, and neither does the 4-part Eye Of Sarnoth adventure in season 2.

    As a big season finale goes, it's indeed good, ticks all the "big" boxes. Technodrome finally makes it to the surface, causes terror, until the Turtles use a very spectacular method of getting rid of it. With multi-part stories like this, there's always the danger of a flat ending, but not so here!

    And the villains get to display some competence for a change. Wilycub, I can think of maybe two episodes where Krang took a more active part - "Turtles On Trial" and "Burne's Blues".
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  6. Wilycub

    Wilycub Staff Writer and Artist Staff

    Thanks, Liam. I'll add those episodes to my watch list. :)

    When I was very young and got introduced to the TMNT via a VHS, I immediately fell in love with them, and I watched those dozen or so episodes over and over until I knew them by heart. I didn't have access to any other episodes of the show for many years after that until they became available to watch online. So then I started to watch those episodes that I never had. After watching a couple of eps I already got bored and I don't really know why. Maybe it's because the quality of the later eps wasn't that good, or maybe I'm too critical as an adult than when I was a child, or maybe I've got too many things on my mind to completely immerse myself into the show. Or maybe it's all of the above.

    And it's not just TMNT, the exact same thing has happened to me whenever I tried to watch unseen eps of any of my childhood favorite shows (TCats, Transformers, Ghostbusters, Knight Rider etc.). It actually makes me feel sad that I can't enjoy them the way I used to as a kid so I just end up not watching them. But the ROCKS discussions give me an excuse to watch them and since the eps are picked because they are good, I usually end up enjoying them very much and that makes me want to watch the series again. So thanks Mark and Liam for starting these discussions and keeping them going even when sometimes the participation is minimum. :thumbsup
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  7. LiamABC

    LiamABC Thunderian Legend

    You're welcome.

    I know what you mean about how episode choices can be a big factor. Back in 2007, I picked up a VHS of Defenders Of The Earth (which we covered in ROCKS 2A-2D) in a charity shop - one of my favourites as a kid. But I watched the three episodes on the tape, and wasn't impressed. However, I remembered the episodes from my youth and remember not being that impressed with them originally either, so when the following year I found a VHS of the entire Prince Kro-Tan "movie", I gave it a go and absolutely adored it. We covered that in ROCKS 2D. Well worth setting aside a couple of hours for, I promise you!

    Being more critical as an adult can also be a factor. First time I saw TMNT as an adult, I hated it. Even now I know I'm never going to want it on DVD but I can stomach it a little better. Curiously, I never saw Transformers (covered in ROCKS 1A-1E) until I was an adult, but it grew on me quickly enough to want to get it on DVD. One show that I really wish they'd bring out on DVD over here is The Legend Of Prince Valiant. I'm looking at how to cover that in ROCKS, and it's tricky, because the story arcs are VERY involved (which is a good thing!). It had 2 seasons totalling 65 episodes (26 and 39). I've half a mind to go through the entire first season in 5 chunks, because even if I trim it down to the essentials, it's still going to be about 70% of that first season covered.
  8. Mark M

    Mark M Thunderian Legend

    Glad you are enjoying them Wilycub.
    ROCKS is good as we are all getting to see cartoons we aren't familiar with or haven't seen in a long time etc.
    I am still working my way through the full series of TMNT as there is a still quite I lot I haven't seen.
    There are plenty of great cartoons planned for future discussions:
    MOTU, Centurions, Bravestarr, Robotech, G.I. Joe, Gobots, Real Ghostbusters, Prince Valiant to name just a few.
    Aside from cartoons I would also love to start doing some odd live action shows like A-team and Knightrider etc.
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  9. LiamABC

    LiamABC Thunderian Legend

    When I went through seasons 1-3, I realised that every episode of season 3 was familiar to me, and all but one from season 2 (Teenagers From Dimension X was the one I didn't recognised). But I never saw anything after that. I've seen a few early season 4 episodes since compiling these selections, and the Europe segment (nominally from season 7 but taking place in early season 4).

    Certainly, out of the shows listed above as possible future ROCKS topics, the ones I know are all worthy. Unless anyone has any preference, I've got my Prince Valiant picks sorted so we could go through that next (be forewarned though, its establishing episodes are six in number, like Thundercats if you include Trouble With Time and Pumm-Ra, which I do!).
  10. Wilycub

    Wilycub Staff Writer and Artist Staff

    Sorry, this is a little bit off topic, but we haven't discussed "The Real Ghostbusters" cartoon series yet, have we? I'm sorry my memory is a bit foggy. I do remember we discussed the movies and we usually discuss movies and their related TV shows simultaneously. But I don't recall us discussing the cartoon series.

    Also if I may make a suggestion. I think we should (hopefully soon) sneak in another James Bond movie to discuss. There are so many James Bond movies and if we discussed them all back-to-back it might get a bit tedious for those who aren't big fans of the character. So we can always sneak in one movie at a time in between our regular discussions, like we did with "For Your Eyes Only". :)
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  11. LiamABC

    LiamABC Thunderian Legend

    Not a bad idea at all. We can do The Real Ghostbusters, I guess Mark would be best qualified to pick episodes from that show. Obviously there aren't any establishing episodes (that was the movie after all!), and I don't recall anything else in the way of feature-length multi-part storylines, so we could probably cover it in a couple of weeks.

    Another Bond movie is fine by me, they were quite a mixed bag. Do either of you have any preference which movie, or even which Bond, you'd like to see?
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  12. Wilycub

    Wilycub Staff Writer and Artist Staff

    My favorite Bond always was and always will be Roger Moore. So ANY movie of his and I am game. :) But if I had to pick the best form his work, then I'd say "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "Live And Let Die". I also like many of the Connery's Bond movies (especially "Goldfinger"), with a few exceptions like "Diamonds Are Forever". I enjoyed all of Brosnan's Bond movies. As for Dalton's I only liked "Licence to Kill". I'm not a big fan of Craig's Bond but I liked "Casino Royale".

    Sounds good to me! :thumbsup I haven't seen all of "The Real Ghostbusters" episodes, but I have seen quite a few and the ones that I REALLY REALLY think we should include are:

    "Ghosts R Us"
    "Mrs. Roger's Neighborhood"
    "Knock, Knock"
    "Night Game"
    "Beneath the Streets"
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  13. Mark M

    Mark M Thunderian Legend

    I would be more than happy to do a list of episodes. Perhaps @Wilycub could help me pick the episodes.
    Since it would only be two weeks perhaps 4x episodes from season one and two.
  14. Mark M

    Mark M Thunderian Legend

    If you want to do these 5 one week I could pick five for week 2.
    "Ragnarok and Roll"
    "No One Comes to Lupusville"
    "The Collect Call of Cthulhu"

    "The Thing in Mrs. Faversham's Attic"
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  15. LiamABC

    LiamABC Thunderian Legend

    Sounds good - how about expanding it to three weeks, I pick a couple of episodes I can remember, and we do four a week?

    I think "Citizen Ghost" could qualify as a single establishing episode as it explains what happened after the movie, and I have strong memories of one or two others, including some that you two have listed. The first episode I ever recorded on tape was "Captain Steel Saves The Day" or something like that.

    Wilycub - Roger Moore is my favourite Bond too. After we've circled the globe with David Niven, we can do Live And Let Die, Moore's first.
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  16. Wilycub

    Wilycub Staff Writer and Artist Staff

    Perfect! :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup
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  17. Mark M

    Mark M Thunderian Legend

    Sounds fine Liam. :thumbsup

    Actually I haven't seen many Bond movies so it will be nice to watch another.
  18. LiamABC

    LiamABC Thunderian Legend

    We could do a Moore and a Connery for contrast.
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